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Title: Future of Australian Football
Post by: aussieshorter on March 24, 2017, 06:11:17 PM
I've spent a lot of time recently thinking, reading and talking about the issues (perceived or real) that we currently have in Australian football.  And it's all come together in a blog post I've written that offers some solutions and will hopefully encourage more discussion and possibly even some action. 

Feedback is very much welcome.

It's a huge post, so I won't post it all, but if anyone is interested you can see the whole thing here - http://thepeckingorder.com.au/tpovision/ (http://thepeckingorder.com.au/tpovision/)

The reason it's so long is because I've covered pretty much anything I thought to be relevant:
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Here's a quick snapshot:
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I?ll dive straight in by showing you my vision for what the Australian football pyramid can and should look like.  Imagine an all-inclusive system with 10 tiers of football, two of which are fully professional, which has over 500 clubs competing and is open to any other club around the country who wants to participate.

Better than that, it?s designed to encourage investment in facilities and player development and reward those that have a desire and take action towards becoming a professional club.  At the same time, it finds balance with the current A-League and provides some protection for those professional clubs. It also allows the A-League to remain the key commercial driver for our sport, while taking the shackles off all other clubs and allowing them to drive the game forward at the elite level.  In other words, it engages clubs at all levels to play their part in growing football, and clubs of all sizes have a part to play.

Believe it or not (and I prove it in the full blog post), it?s a structure that is very similar to what we have now, but with a few changes that all fall under the same category ? they encourage growth, inclusiveness and a drive to professionalism. Note that I?ve left out the regional leagues and focussed on the State Leagues in this diagram.  There are just as many clubs outside of this setup in regional associations who underpin everything and have the potential to be linked to this as well.
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Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: aussieshorter on March 27, 2017, 11:31:00 AM
Any feedback, good or bad?

Anything you disagree with?
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: dobo on March 27, 2017, 01:41:06 PM
i will admit that i have not actually read through your proposal just looked through your pyramid, but this would require HUGE investment, probably more than is likely possible, at least in my lifetime. First things, short term (10 years) if you knock out A2 and pretty much everything from tier 5 and below,then you have pretty much what the federation is looking at implementing;

- a-league
- b-league which is a staging league for teams looking at getting into the a-league (no direct promotion and probably conditional pro/rel from state leagues, made up from current NPL teams)
- State league/leagues (pro/rel between lower leagues Currently the NPL1/2)
- regional leagues with conditional promo into state league

The a league is only just becoming stable (financially) and it is currently too small to sustain a B league. with expansion on the horizon and hopefully it becoming independent of the FFA then i can see in 10 or so years a b-league come into existence. until then we have the NPL1/2 in its current state. we need 16-18 teams in the A-league then same in the b-league (take applications from NPL1 teams) re-shuffle the NPL1/2 and bring in new NPL2 teams to fill the gap left.

where everything falls down (and has always been the problem in aus) is the costs of running these competitions due to how absolutely huge Australia is and how vastly populated it is. the costs are astronomical, its not like in europe where you can hire a bus for a couple of hundred dollars for the team and drive them to the other side of the country. here you have to fly, often the day before and the day after the game so you now have to also pay for accommodation and food for 3 days. In QLD it is not uncommon for NPL players to be paying $2000/ season to play (particularly the younger players) and that is just for clubs not to go broke, add to that that these part timers are having to take time off work to compete and obviously it will turn players away from competing in that level in favour of local leagues. that stops the best players playing against the best players, and the best clubs playing against the best clubs and you no longer have a pyramid or a pathway and the system falls down.

prime example of that is the brisbane premier league and QLD. the QPL which is going to come in next year is  being brought in to kill the BPL as there are still clubs in the BPL that are arguably bigger than current NPL clubs. however I dont think this will work as there will still be players that can not justify the huge outlay to play QPL and QPL clubs will suffer financially with the huge travel costs
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: aussieshorter on March 27, 2017, 03:28:07 PM
i will admit that i have not actually read through your proposal just looked through your pyramid, but this would require HUGE investment, probably more than is likely possible, at least in my lifetime. First things, short term (10 years) if you knock out A2 and pretty much everything from tier 5 and below,then you have pretty much what the federation is looking at implementing;

- a-league
- b-league which is a staging league for teams looking at getting into the a-league (no direct promotion and probably conditional pro/rel from state leagues, made up from current NPL teams)
- State league/leagues (pro/rel between lower leagues Currently the NPL1/2)
- regional leagues with conditional promo into state league

The a league is only just becoming stable (financially) and it is currently too small to sustain a B league. with expansion on the horizon and hopefully it becoming independent of the FFA then i can see in 10 or so years a b-league come into existence. until then we have the NPL1/2 in its current state. we need 16-18 teams in the A-league then same in the b-league (take applications from NPL1 teams) re-shuffle the NPL1/2 and bring in new NPL2 teams to fill the gap left.

where everything falls down (and has always been the problem in aus) is the costs of running these competitions due to how absolutely huge Australia is and how vastly populated it is. the costs are astronomical, its not like in europe where you can hire a bus for a couple of hundred dollars for the team and drive them to the other side of the country. here you have to fly, often the day before and the day after the game so you now have to also pay for accommodation and food for 3 days. In QLD it is not uncommon for NPL players to be paying $2000/ season to play (particularly the younger players) and that is just for clubs not to go broke, add to that that these part timers are having to take time off work to compete and obviously it will turn players away from competing in that level in favour of local leagues. that stops the best players playing against the best players, and the best clubs playing against the best clubs and you no longer have a pyramid or a pathway and the system falls down.

prime example of that is the brisbane premier league and QLD. the QPL which is going to come in next year is  being brought in to kill the BPL as there are still clubs in the BPL that are arguably bigger than current NPL clubs. however I dont think this will work as there will still be players that can not justify the huge outlay to play QPL and QPL clubs will suffer financially with the huge travel costs
I appreciate you taking the time to respond.  And to be honest, half of the article has been written for exactly this type of response.

You raise the same arguments I've heard and read time and again.  And I've covered them all in the article.

In fact, these are a few of the sub-headings:
- Timeline for Implementation
- Dispelling the Myth - Financial Stability
- Dispelling the Myth - Expansion as the Answer
- What Does it Really Cost?
- How do we Pay for it?
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on June 09, 2017, 12:09:12 PM
I don't know what anyone else thought, but the Socceroo performance v Saudi Arabia was less then convincing in my opinion and alarm bells ringing very loud.
I was encouraged by Juric who started to look like a striker although the miss for what would have been his hat trick was more like the Juric of old.
But with the extra man in midfield, weren't we supposed to dominate? Yet it was turn over after turn over.
I think the way we played (in typical Ange fashion) meant the Socceroos finished the stronger and the Saudis had little petrol in the tank from around the 70th minute, which in the end was the difference. And they had a few players out.
But the ease with which the Saudis scored would indicate that we are in a whole lot of bother when it comes to playing a better side. (like Japan for example)
I think the Confederations Cup will be embarrassing based on the last few Socceroo performances and given the number of players Ange has tried, with very few looking the goods, I can't see where it is going to come from. I am ashamed to say that I am starting to hope we don't qualify for Moscow.  We may scrape through third spot play off, but then what?
I am a big Ange fan, but really, when he says players that are not playing regular first team football, won't get a go, he should stick to that. We should really not have had Sainsbury on the park.
My grandson is playing in under sixes this year and the emphasis is on running with the ball and being comfortable on the ball. A confidence and skill which obviously Saudi Arabia had for their goals.
My grandson is six. I really hope we don't have to wait  12 years or so for a crop of Australian International players that can do what the Saudis did last night.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Orange Emperoar on June 09, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
I am of a similar opinion. Win is fine, but that football isn't going to win us a World Cup.
On the other hand, we have a big couple of months of football culminating with our final match against Thailand on September 5th.
If we can manage a draw in Saitama and then give Thailand a proper spanking, displaying good football at both matches after Ange has had them together for basically three months, then I will be happy that we can be ready to put up a good showing in Russia and challenge for the Asian cup again. The team that plays in Saitama should be the core of the one we intend to field in Qatar '22. If they can put in a good showing then Ange will have done his job well enough and can hand over to the next boss knowing that he has done all he can.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: coast on June 09, 2017, 05:44:03 PM
I was an Ange fan. I'm sure as hell not any more.  He's making a mess of this, and his pigheadedness is becoming a major liability.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Orange Emperoar on June 09, 2017, 08:50:24 PM
I think Ange is still learning. He has been trying something different and at the moment it isn't working. He may persist with it through the Confederations Cup and the rest of qualification, or he may have decided that last night was the last chance. Either way, what happens in the last two games of qualification is important from both a results and performance point of view. Good results with a performance similar to last night won't fill me with joy.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Septic Bladder on June 14, 2017, 03:02:33 PM
Ange has lost his way.

How long has it been - 4 years, 40 odd players over 40 games.

Yet he chooses the closing stages of WC Qualification to adopt a new system!

That is mad.

Clearly, it isn't working. It may work after 10 or 20 games and lots of + & - to his pool of players.

But right now it jeopardises our qualification.

We need 4 points but if we play 3/4/3 can't see us getting the point we need in Japan.

The only plus is that the totally wooden Jedi Lumberjack has been ruled out.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: medley on June 14, 2017, 03:53:41 PM
Ange has lost his way.

How long has it been - 4 years, 40 odd players over 40 games.

Yet he chooses the closing stages of WC Qualification to adopt a new system!

That is mad.

Clearly, it isn't working. It may work after 10 or 20 games and lots of + & - to his pool of players.

But right now it jeopardises our qualification.

We need 4 points but if we play 3/4/3 can't see us getting the point we need in Japan.

The only plus is that the totally wooden Jedi Lumberjack has been ruled out.

Got to agree with you here Sep.
And I don't think the loss of Jedinak is a bad thing.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: coast on June 14, 2017, 05:11:17 PM
Ange has lost his way.

How long has it been - 4 years, 40 odd players over 40 games.

Yet he chooses the closing stages of WC Qualification to adopt a new system!

That is mad.

Clearly, it isn't working. It may work after 10 or 20 games and lots of + & - to his pool of players.

But right now it jeopardises our qualification.

We need 4 points but if we play 3/4/3 can't see us getting the point we need in Japan.

The only plus is that the totally wooden Jedi Lumberjack has been ruled out.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: gooseman22 on June 14, 2017, 05:43:34 PM
Ange has lost his way.

How long has it been - 4 years, 40 odd players over 40 games.

Yet he chooses the closing stages of WC Qualification to adopt a new system!

That is mad.

Clearly, it isn't working. It may work after 10 or 20 games and lots of + & - to his pool of players.

But right now it jeopardises our qualification.

We need 4 points but if we play 3/4/3 can't see us getting the point we need in Japan.

The only plus is that the totally wooden Jedi Lumberjack has been ruled out.

Agree 100%
Oh dear.
This is happening far too often, for my liking...is the world about to end?
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: medley on June 14, 2017, 06:09:47 PM
Someone must've hacked my account!!
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Finsta on June 14, 2017, 08:08:03 PM
I don't understand Ange's thinking. He's walking away after the WC. Surely he'd want to make 100% sure he'd make it there atleast.

I don't buy the line about "we need to be brave" etc etc. No Ange. We need to play to systems we know and not change formations when we're at the business of qualifying.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: coast on June 15, 2017, 01:11:11 PM
I don't understand Ange's thinking. He's walking away after the WC. Surely he'd want to make 100% sure he'd make it there atleast.

I don't buy the line about "we need to be brave" etc etc. No Ange. We need to play to systems we know and not change formations when we're at the business of qualifying.

I'm with you, Fin.  Ange has lost the plot.  I cannot fathom what is going on in his head at the moment. 

I wonder about the dressing room, too.  The team can't be feeling good right now.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Septic Bladder on June 15, 2017, 04:59:20 PM
I read today that he intends to win The Confederations Cup.

Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on June 15, 2017, 05:54:39 PM
Having watched the Brazil game I am no less worried than after the Saudi game, but I am backing Ange to ensure we do the best we can.
I had a look back at the 2014 squad (the one that lost three games although put in some creditable efforts against Chile, Holland and Spain) and the current squad contains about half of those players. Since then Ange  has brought in players like Mooy, Rogic, Smith, and Juric who all look better than players they have replaced. 
After what has been a long list of draws I can't fault Ange for trying to change the system. Because the old one was not doing great.
All credit to Ange for at least trying to find a system which works better, even if the signs are that it is not really working as yet.
All credit to Ange for trying to talk up the team's prospects because anything less would be him not doing his job.
What else is he supposed to do? Run up the white flag before we even get there?
And all credit to Ange for casting the net the as wide as possible to try to find some decent players.
The sad fact of the matter is that we simply do not have players of the class that Brazil has; or Germany; or Chile etc. That is not Ange's fault.
And we do not seem to have the forwards capable of incisive counter attacking that the Saudi's had. Again. That is not Ange's fault.
And our defending seems accident prone ( the Bailey Wright turn over and the Hrustic attempted intercept that went horribly wrong for example)
So where are the players that can come in and do a better job? Because I don't see any.
Certainly none playing at Liverpool, Barcelona, Chelsea, Bayern Munich, PSG, Juventus etc etc. Which is what we faced v Brazil.
By comparison, Ange has F*** All to work with but at least he is not blaming the quality of the players.
I really think we are unlikely to win a single game in the Confederations Cup; quite likely to get spanked; but none of this is down to Ange.
Anything better than that will most certainly be down to Ange who is laying down the challenge to his players and trying to instill confidence.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Finsta on June 15, 2017, 08:05:59 PM
Having watched the Brazil game I am no less worried than after the Saudi game, but I am backing Ange to ensure we do the best we can.
I had a look back at the 2014 squad (the one that lost three games although put in some creditable efforts against Chile, Holland and Spain) and the current squad contains about half of those players. Since then Ange  has brought in players like Mooy, Rogic, Smith, and Juric who all look better than players they have replaced. 
After what has been a long list of draws I can't fault Ange for trying to change the system. Because the old one was not doing great.
All credit to Ange for at least trying to find a system which works better, even if the signs are that it is not really working as yet.
All credit to Ange for trying to talk up the team's prospects because anything less would be him not doing his job.
What else is he supposed to do? Run up the white flag before we even get there?
And all credit to Ange for casting the net the as wide as possible to try to find some decent players.
The sad fact of the matter is that we simply do not have players of the class that Brazil has; or Germany; or Chile etc. That is not Ange's fault.
And we do not seem to have the forwards capable of incisive counter attacking that the Saudi's had. Again. That is not Ange's fault.
And our defending seems accident prone ( the Bailey Wright turn over and the Hrustic attempted intercept that went horribly wrong for example)
So where are the players that can come in and do a better job? Because I don't see any.
Certainly none playing at Liverpool, Barcelona, Chelsea, Bayern Munich, PSG, Juventus etc etc. Which is what we faced v Brazil.
By comparison, Ange has F*** All to work with but at least he is not blaming the quality of the players.
I really think we are unlikely to win a single game in the Confederations Cup; quite likely to get spanked; but none of this is down to Ange.
Anything better than that will most certainly be down to Ange who is laying down the challenge to his players and trying to instill confidence.
I would agree with the above but the elephant in the room is that AFAIK Ange is walking away from the post after the World Cup. At the moment it feels like he's trying to create a cosmic shift in our football persona but is only gonna see it a part of the way through.. That's not really a positive legacy IMO
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on June 16, 2017, 08:55:22 AM
Having watched the Brazil game I am no less worried than after the Saudi game, but I am backing Ange to ensure we do the best we can.
I had a look back at the 2014 squad (the one that lost three games although put in some creditable efforts against Chile, Holland and Spain) and the current squad contains about half of those players. Since then Ange  has brought in players like Mooy, Rogic, Smith, and Juric who all look better than players they have replaced. 
After what has been a long list of draws I can't fault Ange for trying to change the system. Because the old one was not doing great.
All credit to Ange for at least trying to find a system which works better, even if the signs are that it is not really working as yet.
All credit to Ange for trying to talk up the team's prospects because anything less would be him not doing his job.
What else is he supposed to do? Run up the white flag before we even get there?
And all credit to Ange for casting the net the as wide as possible to try to find some decent players.
The sad fact of the matter is that we simply do not have players of the class that Brazil has; or Germany; or Chile etc. That is not Ange's fault.
And we do not seem to have the forwards capable of incisive counter attacking that the Saudi's had. Again. That is not Ange's fault.
And our defending seems accident prone ( the Bailey Wright turn over and the Hrustic attempted intercept that went horribly wrong for example)
So where are the players that can come in and do a better job? Because I don't see any.
Certainly none playing at Liverpool, Barcelona, Chelsea, Bayern Munich, PSG, Juventus etc etc. Which is what we faced v Brazil.
By comparison, Ange has F*** All to work with but at least he is not blaming the quality of the players.
I really think we are unlikely to win a single game in the Confederations Cup; quite likely to get spanked; but none of this is down to Ange.
Anything better than that will most certainly be down to Ange who is laying down the challenge to his players and trying to instill confidence.
I would agree with the above but the elephant in the room is that AFAIK Ange is walking away from the post after the World Cup. At the moment it feels like he's trying to create a cosmic shift in our football persona but is only gonna see it a part of the way through.. That's not really a positive legacy IMO
The roots of the problems with Australian football and the quality and types of footballers we produce go far beyond what Ange can fix.
He was coach in the 2014 World Cup. He hopes to be coach at the 2018 WC if we can get through. ( Lots of permutations still there in terms of qualifications).
And should we get there he hopes to do as well as we did in 2006 or better. Which I think means get a result against a "big" team.
He has set out a challenge to Australian football, but is ahead of the times, and we need the development systems to catch up. It is almost a case of wrong place/wrong time for Ange.
A key part of his approach is to adopt a fearless approach, to not be intimidated, to challenge each player to be the best they can possibly be, and not to die wondering.
He has been criticised for changing the formation. What he is doing is trying to position the team to be able to adopt different formations as required according to circumstances. As other teams do.
He has a job and a half because we do not have a squad of top class players. Nor do we have anyone in attack  who is world class. For years our best avenue (almost our only one) has been to get the ball to Timmy.
Timmy is getting on now and not the threat he was. I really don't see anyone in the squad who is world class.
So whilst Leicester overachieved for example, and won the EPL with a handful of top class EPL players and a very effective get it to Vardy approach, the Socceroos really don't have a go to player to build a squad around.
So our best bet IMO is to be capable of varying formations and play with confidence. Give it our best shot and for once in our lives maybe get lucky.
The Confederations Cup is important but mainly because it gives us chance to learn and develop as a squad. But the Japan qualifier is the next  critical game. 
Whilst we lost 4-0 to Brazil (could have easily been 6 or 7) hopefully our players got much more out of the experience than the Brazilians.
The Confederations Cup is another chance to expose our players to top quality opposition and become the best they possibly can.
If we can do well at the WC and maybe get a result against a top team that will be Ange's legacy and a major step on the journey.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: coast on June 16, 2017, 10:35:16 AM
Having watched the Brazil game I am no less worried than after the Saudi game, but I am backing Ange to ensure we do the best we can.
I had a look back at the 2014 squad (the one that lost three games although put in some creditable efforts against Chile, Holland and Spain) and the current squad contains about half of those players. Since then Ange  has brought in players like Mooy, Rogic, Smith, and Juric who all look better than players they have replaced. 
After what has been a long list of draws I can't fault Ange for trying to change the system. Because the old one was not doing great.
All credit to Ange for at least trying to find a system which works better, even if the signs are that it is not really working as yet.
All credit to Ange for trying to talk up the team's prospects because anything less would be him not doing his job.
What else is he supposed to do? Run up the white flag before we even get there?
And all credit to Ange for casting the net the as wide as possible to try to find some decent players.
The sad fact of the matter is that we simply do not have players of the class that Brazil has; or Germany; or Chile etc. That is not Ange's fault.
And we do not seem to have the forwards capable of incisive counter attacking that the Saudi's had. Again. That is not Ange's fault.
And our defending seems accident prone ( the Bailey Wright turn over and the Hrustic attempted intercept that went horribly wrong for example)
So where are the players that can come in and do a better job? Because I don't see any.
Certainly none playing at Liverpool, Barcelona, Chelsea, Bayern Munich, PSG, Juventus etc etc. Which is what we faced v Brazil.
By comparison, Ange has F*** All to work with but at least he is not blaming the quality of the players.
I really think we are unlikely to win a single game in the Confederations Cup; quite likely to get spanked; but none of this is down to Ange.
Anything better than that will most certainly be down to Ange who is laying down the challenge to his players and trying to instill confidence.
I would agree with the above but the elephant in the room is that AFAIK Ange is walking away from the post after the World Cup. At the moment it feels like he's trying to create a cosmic shift in our football persona but is only gonna see it a part of the way through.. That's not really a positive legacy IMO
The roots of the problems with Australian football and the quality and types of footballers we produce go far beyond what Ange can fix.
He was coach in the 2014 World Cup. He hopes to be coach at the 2018 WC if we can get through. ( Lots of permutations still there in terms of qualifications).
And should we get there he hopes to do as well as we did in 2006 or better. Which I think means get a result against a "big" team.
He has set out a challenge to Australian football, but is ahead of the times, and we need the development systems to catch up. It is almost a case of wrong place/wrong time for Ange.
A key part of his approach is to adopt a fearless approach, to not be intimidated, to challenge each player to be the best they can possibly be, and not to die wondering.
He has been criticised for changing the formation. What he is doing is trying to position the team to be able to adopt different formations as required according to circumstances. As other teams do.
He has a job and a half because we do not have a squad of top class players. Nor do we have anyone in attack  who is world class. For years our best avenue (almost our only one) has been to get the ball to Timmy.
Timmy is getting on now and not the threat he was. I really don't see anyone in the squad who is world class.
So whilst Leicester overachieved for example, and won the EPL with a handful of top class EPL players and a very effective get it to Vardy approach, the Socceroos really don't have a go to player to build a squad around.
So our best bet IMO is to be capable of varying formations and play with confidence. Give it our best shot and for once in our lives maybe get lucky.
The Confederations Cup is important but mainly because it gives us chance to learn and develop as a squad. But the Japan qualifier is the next  critical game. 
Whilst we lost 4-0 to Brazil (could have easily been 6 or 7) hopefully our players got much more out of the experience than the Brazilians.
The Confederations Cup is another chance to expose our players to top quality opposition and become the best they possibly can.
If we can do well at the WC and maybe get a result against a top team that will be Ange's legacy and a major step on the journey.

CR, with all due respect, you seem to be conflating fearlessness with tactics.  The problem with Ange is the late and ill considered switch to a back 3.  We simply do not have the quality in our CBs to play this formation.  The results have been markedly unsatisfactory, to say the least.  Ange can be fearless in a 433, and was. 

We all saw his stubborn streak with Brisbane:  remember, plan B is to do plan A better.  It was a problem then, but has been magnified 10 fold now, at this higher level.  I simply don't think he has the tactical intelligence for international football, and his mule headedness and refusal to admit the possibility of error is now sending us up the creek without a paddle in sight.

His arrogance is something to behold.  That 'go hard' nonsense simply made him look like an idiot.  He needs to show some dignity and poise.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Orange Emperoar on June 16, 2017, 11:56:50 AM
We aren't losing to our peers. We are more than holding our own in our group with traditionally strong rivals like the UAE and Iraq falling away. We haven't been beaten in 16 qualifier matches. Unless here is something to play for, it is hard to see how a system is working, because the drive of the players is different. This is precisely the time to test the players in a new system that you are banking on long term.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: coast on June 16, 2017, 12:31:17 PM
We aren't losing to our peers. We are more than holding our own in our group with traditionally strong rivals like the UAE and Iraq falling away. We haven't been beaten in 16 qualifier matches. Unless here is something to play for, it is hard to see how a system is working, because the drive of the players is different. This is precisely the time to test the players in a new system that you are banking on long term.

Seriously?  A WC campaign hanging in the balance is the best time to try out a new system?  When the team obviously lacks players with the skillset to make it work?

And then to persist with it when it is falling apart all over the place?

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on June 16, 2017, 12:35:42 PM
Having watched the Brazil game I am no less worried than after the Saudi game, but I am backing Ange to ensure we do the best we can.
I had a look back at the 2014 squad (the one that lost three games although put in some creditable efforts against Chile, Holland and Spain) and the current squad contains about half of those players. Since then Ange  has brought in players like Mooy, Rogic, Smith, and Juric who all look better than players they have replaced. 
After what has been a long list of draws I can't fault Ange for trying to change the system. Because the old one was not doing great.
All credit to Ange for at least trying to find a system which works better, even if the signs are that it is not really working as yet.
All credit to Ange for trying to talk up the team's prospects because anything less would be him not doing his job.
What else is he supposed to do? Run up the white flag before we even get there?
And all credit to Ange for casting the net the as wide as possible to try to find some decent players.
The sad fact of the matter is that we simply do not have players of the class that Brazil has; or Germany; or Chile etc. That is not Ange's fault.
And we do not seem to have the forwards capable of incisive counter attacking that the Saudi's had. Again. That is not Ange's fault.
And our defending seems accident prone ( the Bailey Wright turn over and the Hrustic attempted intercept that went horribly wrong for example)
So where are the players that can come in and do a better job? Because I don't see any.
Certainly none playing at Liverpool, Barcelona, Chelsea, Bayern Munich, PSG, Juventus etc etc. Which is what we faced v Brazil.
By comparison, Ange has F*** All to work with but at least he is not blaming the quality of the players.
I really think we are unlikely to win a single game in the Confederations Cup; quite likely to get spanked; but none of this is down to Ange.
Anything better than that will most certainly be down to Ange who is laying down the challenge to his players and trying to instill confidence.
I would agree with the above but the elephant in the room is that AFAIK Ange is walking away from the post after the World Cup. At the moment it feels like he's trying to create a cosmic shift in our football persona but is only gonna see it a part of the way through.. That's not really a positive legacy IMO
The roots of the problems with Australian football and the quality and types of footballers we produce go far beyond what Ange can fix.
He was coach in the 2014 World Cup. He hopes to be coach at the 2018 WC if we can get through. ( Lots of permutations still there in terms of qualifications).
And should we get there he hopes to do as well as we did in 2006 or better. Which I think means get a result against a "big" team.
He has set out a challenge to Australian football, but is ahead of the times, and we need the development systems to catch up. It is almost a case of wrong place/wrong time for Ange.
A key part of his approach is to adopt a fearless approach, to not be intimidated, to challenge each player to be the best they can possibly be, and not to die wondering.
He has been criticised for changing the formation. What he is doing is trying to position the team to be able to adopt different formations as required according to circumstances. As other teams do.
He has a job and a half because we do not have a squad of top class players. Nor do we have anyone in attack  who is world class. For years our best avenue (almost our only one) has been to get the ball to Timmy.
Timmy is getting on now and not the threat he was. I really don't see anyone in the squad who is world class.
So whilst Leicester overachieved for example, and won the EPL with a handful of top class EPL players and a very effective get it to Vardy approach, the Socceroos really don't have a go to player to build a squad around.
So our best bet IMO is to be capable of varying formations and play with confidence. Give it our best shot and for once in our lives maybe get lucky.
The Confederations Cup is important but mainly because it gives us chance to learn and develop as a squad. But the Japan qualifier is the next  critical game. 
Whilst we lost 4-0 to Brazil (could have easily been 6 or 7) hopefully our players got much more out of the experience than the Brazilians.
The Confederations Cup is another chance to expose our players to top quality opposition and become the best they possibly can.
If we can do well at the WC and maybe get a result against a top team that will be Ange's legacy and a major step on the journey.

CR, with all due respect, you seem to be conflating fearlessness with tactics.  The problem with Ange is the late and ill considered switch to a back 3.  We simply do not have the quality in our CBs to play this formation.  The results have been markedly unsatisfactory, to say the least.  Ange can be fearless in a 433, and was. 

We all saw his stubborn streak with Brisbane:  remember, plan B is to do plan A better.  It was a problem then, but has been magnified 10 fold now, at this higher level.  I simply don't think he has the tactical intelligence for international football, and his mule headedness and refusal to admit the possibility of error is now sending us up the creek without a paddle in sight.

His arrogance is something to behold.  That 'go hard' nonsense simply made him look like an idiot.  He needs to show some dignity and poise.
I agree about the quality of our CBs whether we play four or three at the back. But my take with the change of formation, is I think Ange is trying to give us options and it takes time for players to get used to it.
I would really hope that we end up being capable to play with three or with four.
I really don't think Ange is arrogant. I think he is trying to challenge the team to step up a notch and trying to give them confidence.
As I said at length, I really don't think we have the quality to make his dream come true with this generation, though if we get a bit luckier than we have been, we can surprise a few.
Even against Brazil, Cahill should have equalised although there was a dodgy off side call. That is what I mean about us getting lucky next time. We would have lifted another notch.
As for the comments re Brisbane, he won two titles. Unfortunately he then moved to Melbourne and we never got to see the next chapter.
Just as importantly, his influence lead to a big improvement in standard in the A League in my view.
And with the Socceroos he won the Asian Cup.
So let's give him some credit and respect.
By the way, I heard Germany (arguably the most methodical and best prepared) country are coming to the Federations Cup and blooding a lot of new players. Point being, that all national coaches have to keep looking beyond the next few game with the prize being the WC and try stuff out.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Finsta on June 16, 2017, 02:20:57 PM
I think it's a bit of column A and a bit of column B.

There's definitely a lack of top quality Aussie talent running around. On the flipside, Ange's shift from a solid 433 platform that the players were used to is a pretty big call considering the current stakes.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Septic Bladder on June 16, 2017, 02:56:16 PM
I stand by my comments re the switch to 3/4/3 but have to say the problem isn't specifically with our 3 defenders, but rather the ability of the middle 4 to both attack and defend.

Under  Ange's aggressive approach they are too attack orientated and don't offer sufficient screening - that is why everyone in just waltzing straight through the middle against us.

Jedi's loss isn't. Hopefully a more mobile Milligan will screen more effectively.

I do admit our ball skills and retention are poorer that most opponents. I wounder - is it possible to teach players new skills through some sort of intensive training - if time for that was ever possible.

We need to develop more one touch skills, play faster in a more fluent style ( ...that is all, just that really, I don't want to over burden the players)
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Orange Emperoar on June 16, 2017, 03:24:15 PM
We aren't losing to our peers. We are more than holding our own in our group with traditionally strong rivals like the UAE and Iraq falling away. We haven't been beaten in 16 qualifier matches. Unless here is something to play for, it is hard to see how a system is working, because the drive of the players is different. This is precisely the time to test the players in a new system that you are banking on long term.

Seriously?  A WC campaign hanging in the balance is the best time to try out a new system?  When the team obviously lacks players with the skillset to make it work?

And then to persist with it when it is falling apart all over the place?

Good luck with that.
Which game did we lose using the new system? Which game did we lose that is putting our qualification at jeopardy? You do realize that both Japan and KSA are in danger of missing out on qualifications with another slip up, don't you? You do realize that after qualification we have another competition to attend to at which our opponents will be much better than what we are facing now?
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: coast on June 16, 2017, 03:26:05 PM
We aren't losing to our peers. We are more than holding our own in our group with traditionally strong rivals like the UAE and Iraq falling away. We haven't been beaten in 16 qualifier matches. Unless here is something to play for, it is hard to see how a system is working, because the drive of the players is different. This is precisely the time to test the players in a new system that you are banking on long term.

Seriously?  A WC campaign hanging in the balance is the best time to try out a new system?  When the team obviously lacks players with the skillset to make it work?

And then to persist with it when it is falling apart all over the place?

Good luck with that.
Which game did we lose using the new system? Which game did we lose that is putting our qualification at jeopardy? You do realize that both Japan and KSA are in danger of missing out on qualifications with another slip up, don't you? You do realize that after qualification we have another competition to attend to at which our opponents will be much better than what we are facing now?

We'll have to agree to differ on this one. 
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Orange Emperoar on June 16, 2017, 03:28:53 PM
But you do know that we haven't lost in 16 qualifying matches, right?
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Finsta on June 16, 2017, 03:46:15 PM
But you do know that we haven't lost in 16 qualifying matches, right?
I don't think that's right. We lost to Jordan 2-0 away back in October 2015. Looking like we're at about 13 unbeaten now.
The recent 4 draws in a row (Saudi Arabia, Japan, Thailand and Iraq) is what has made our direct qualification situation a bit nervey.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on June 16, 2017, 03:52:05 PM
Here's a bit of a read on the subject from the ABC.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-16/ange-socceroos-deserve-our-trust-for-now/8623946 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-16/ange-socceroos-deserve-our-trust-for-now/8623946)
There is a possibility that one of Japan or Korea do not make the WC by the way.
Just pointing out that whilst we are not in a comfortable spot regarding the WC qualification, the mathematics of the remaining games throw up all sorts of permutations including a third place play off between Japan and Korea.
For us the Japan game is much more important that the Confederations Cup but if we can get a point or more, and Japan lose away to the Saudis and we beat Thailand, Japan will be the one under pressure. Anything can happen, and of course Japan can top the group.
I just wonder if the Japan and Korean coaches are getting the same stick as Ange.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Finsta on June 16, 2017, 04:03:45 PM
Here's a bit of a read on the subject from the ABC.
[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-16/ange-socceroos-deserve-our-trust-for-now/8623946[/url] ([url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-16/ange-socceroos-deserve-our-trust-for-now/8623946[/url])
There is a possibility that one of Japan or Korea do not make the WC by the way.
Just pointing out that whilst we are not in a comfortable spot regarding the WC qualification, the mathematics of the remaining games throw up all sorts of permutations including a third place play off between Japan and Korea.
For us the Japan game is much more important that the Confederations Cup but if we can get a point or more, and Japan lose away to the Saudis and we beat Thailand, Japan will be the one under pressure. Anything can happen, and of course Japan can top the group.
I just wonder if the Japan and Korean coaches are getting the same stick as Ange.

Well the South Korean manager has gotten the boot in the last 24 hours.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Orange Emperoar on June 16, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
But you do know that we haven't lost in 16 qualifying matches, right?
I don't think that's right. We lost to Jordan 2-0 away back in October 2015. Looking like we're at about 13 unbeaten now.
The recent 4 draws in a row (Saudi Arabia, Japan, Thailand and Iraq) is what has made our direct qualification situation a bit nervey.

Sorry about that.
One loss in 16 qualifying matches still sounds like a good record though. That's the same as Japan and one better than KSA. We need a draw against Japan to ensure qualification, or Saudi to drop points against the UAE. If they can't convincingly beat UAE, then essentially they're out of it. Before the next game against Japan we have at least 3 games against stiff opposition, whereas Japan have none. I reckon we'll be essentially qualified before we play Thailand in September and the team will be much more developed.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Septic Bladder on June 16, 2017, 11:32:53 PM
Here's a bit of a read on the subject from the ABC.
[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-16/ange-socceroos-deserve-our-trust-for-now/8623946[/url] ([url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-16/ange-socceroos-deserve-our-trust-for-now/8623946[/url])
There is a possibility that one of Japan or Korea do not make the WC by the way.
Just pointing out that whilst we are not in a comfortable spot regarding the WC qualification, the mathematics of the remaining games throw up all sorts of permutations including a third place play off between Japan and Korea.
For us the Japan game is much more important that the Confederations Cup but if we can get a point or more, and Japan lose away to the Saudis and we beat Thailand, Japan will be the one under pressure. Anything can happen, and of course Japan can top the group.
I just wonder if the Japan and Korean coaches are getting the same stick as Ange.

Well the South Korean manager has gotten the boot in the last 24 hours.


Suppose, just suppose, the Conferderations Cup is a complete disaster. Three large losses.

Does Ange get sacked immediately?
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: theoworldwide on June 17, 2017, 12:06:54 PM
Nah... we all need to realise that the only reason we are playing in the confed cup, is because ange won us the Asian cup.

Because of the cup, it's the first time ange will get the squad for an extended period of time. As a team we will improve against the better opposition and will be better prepared for the remaining qualifies. It will help us play ourselves into form and iron out kinks in the new formation.

Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Septic Bladder on June 17, 2017, 04:18:03 PM
Holger Osieck got the sack after winning qualification to the last WC but then getting thrashed by Brazil in a friendly.

Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on June 18, 2017, 03:09:25 PM
This is one terrific interview.  Expires 31 July.
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/969905731641/EXCLUSIVE-Ange-Postecoglou-interview (http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/969905731641/EXCLUSIVE-Ange-Postecoglou-interview)
I am 100% behind him and what he is doing.
I still have concerns about the quality of player available and I sense he does too. He speaks about keeping the door open for new talent.
There is a young defender coming through at Burnley getting good wraps, so there are still some untried players out there.
I really don't see Ange as arrogant. Everything he says makes sense.
Well done Lucy Zelic for some great questions.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: theoworldwide on June 18, 2017, 07:16:31 PM
Apologies for the bold.

I find his confidence really reassuring. Better than the alternative. All the coach bashing against ange is noise I don't get where it's coming from.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on June 19, 2017, 09:32:03 AM
Apologies for the bold.

I find his confidence really reassuring. Better than the alternative. All the coach bashing against ange is noise I don't get where it's coming from.
I have just seen the interview with Ange on the SBS site where he was pointing out that whilst there is discussion about Germany fielding a young side, people should look at our side and do the maths.
Compare the  average. I haven't done the comparison myself, but I think Ange is making a point.
Someone asked on the site a few days ago about Ange's legacy given he will step down in 2018.
His legacy might just be the experienced nucleus of side that is around in 2022 and a philosophy of constant regeneration.
The national side must never again be denied succession planning in the way that happened in the past.
Throw in a determination to lift the level of expectation and performance, and an ethos of players continually pushing themselves. 
Check the SBS site.
I loved his reply when asked why he seems so bit prickly by a very English sounding voice. Classic Ange.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: theoworldwide on June 19, 2017, 09:42:15 AM
I'm pretty dissapointed that he'll leave so soon. The only decent replacement for him imo is gombau. Hopefully gombau is the planner successor.

Exciting though that ange plans to make it coaching abroad.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on June 24, 2017, 10:01:49 PM
After the Cameroon game apart from the obvious difficulty we had with the physicality of the opposition aided by some very tolerant refereeing, the other concern was the lack of bite up front.
This emboldens the opposition, plus as the old adage goes, to win games, you need to score more goals than the opposition.
There has been a lot of talk about the defence but not so much about how we went at the other end.
True you could say that if we had only conceded 1 against Germany, and none against Cameroon, we would have six points as oppose to the one.
But quite clearly, Ange is not building the team around a miserly defence; concede zero; score one; and that is all you need.
He is loading midfield where our strengths appear to lie, and talks about being brave; aggressive; taking the game to the opposition.
So what is happening about attack?
After the Cameroon game, I asked the question about why Troisi came on and not Macca? We needed three points, and not a draw.
Ange (who as everyone knows, I have great respect for) surprisingly (to me at least), continued with the lone striker against Cameroon,  and resorted to the get the ball to Timmy approach of old. "Old" perhaps being the salient point.   
I came across this piece on the ABC.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-23/how-the-socceroos-can-get-their-spark-in-the-post-cahill-era/8644944?section=sport (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-23/how-the-socceroos-can-get-their-spark-in-the-post-cahill-era/8644944?section=sport)

......Australia had plenty of the ball against Cameroon, but very little of it in the attacking third, or even in the attacking half.

So how about this ? play two strikers.

Partner Juric with Maclaren at the expense of that third attacking midfield role. Let Maclaren stretch the defence, as he does so well, with runs in behind and into the channel.

Get some width through his runs, and give the likes of Rogic and Mooy a target to hit with some well-timed through balls. They have the ability to thread those passes, but it's largely going to waste with a static striker and a sea of bodies in their immediate vicinity.

Juric can still play the same role as a focal point, but will no longer have two defenders on his back at all times. The wing-backs can still get up and down as they normally would, but they might have somebody in an advanced position to work with, rather than having to look backwards whenever they get forward......... < end of quote>

We go into the Chile team needing to score and win by at least two or more. Even if we can avoid a spanking we need to score. What better time for us to be bold.
I rather like the idea of two up front. Someone who is a goal  scorer to feed off Juric's strength on the ball.
Consider how the game might unfold if say Australia goes two up in the first 15 minutes as oppose to what seems more likely, Chile is two up in the first 15.

Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Finsta on June 26, 2017, 10:55:42 AM
I missed the game this morning but from all reports we really gave it a nudge and played a pretty good game. We had chances to get 2 goal winning margin to progress but alas we didn't convert.

Strong showing considering that Ange left Mooy and Rogic on the bench too.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Septic Bladder on June 26, 2017, 01:55:05 PM
Great game - we soaked up enormous pressure in first 30 minutes but then we then took the game to them and you could see that Chile were rattled.

Great goal from Tinkerbell Triosi and if Macca had not botched another one of Triosi's delicate little chip passes we might have won.

Lots of spirit and effort on display which now gives me renewed hope for WC qualification.

Great display from Ryan in goal.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: mellod on June 26, 2017, 02:15:40 PM
Agree. Much better performance. Looked much more solid at the back which is no small feat considering the opposition.

Kruse, Maclaren and Sainsbury all had golden opportunities which they should have finished (Sainsbury can be forgiven as I don't really expect him to be able to hit a decent volley).

We looked much quicker without Rogic and Mooy. Lots of one touch passes, moving the ball quickly up field. I feel like Mooy takes too long to make a decision and expects the opposition to give him the time he needs.

We pressured every time they had the ball and managed to force quite a number of turnovers. Irvine, Troisi and Milligan were standouts.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on June 26, 2017, 02:28:20 PM
For once no-one was talking much about the three at the back. A topic which has upset a lot of people.  I was not one of them, but I am happy with the three that played against Chile. They seem to work well together. I am more than happy with Ange and what he is doing and the way that the team is progressing. This has been good preparation for the Japan game.
 We had enough opportunities to win the game and lacked quality in front of goal. The issue still remains regarding the lack of quality. As in players playing regularly at the highest possible level they can. 
I loved it when Fozz went on about putting Chile to the sword, even though it was a huge exaggeration. Especially given Chile just needed a draw / not lose by two, it was not even a flesh wound.
We did well, and there were some great performances, but really Fozz! Put to the Sword?
Starting off it looked like we were set up to make the use of height advantage relying on dead balls but that was not how it turned out.
We so dominated the midfield that Chile really resorted to route 1 long ball stuff. It was a real vindication of what Ange is trying to do.
Should Mile Jedinak get his spot back? Would we have been more effective with him on the field?
He will be not far off 34 by the next World Cup.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Finsta on June 26, 2017, 04:07:24 PM
After that performance it seems like there'll be extra pressure and heat put onto the likes of Jedinak, Mooy and Rogic to up their game to better fit in with "Ange's" Socceroos. As was the case with Brisbane, the team is much greater than the individual and everyone has to work super hard for the tactics to bear fruit. The question is: Is Jedinak to slow moving across the park now? Is Mooy's distribution too predictable/slow/attention seeking? Is Rogic a defensive liability if we want to defend from the front?

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh but there's always the case of possibly having great players that simply don't fit into the current system.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Septic Bladder on June 26, 2017, 04:33:34 PM
I have always thought Mooy's style of play to be laborious and am amazed how highly he is rated in England and Jedi is now past it.

Rogic still has a role depending on the oppsition due to his ability to score spectacular goals. I see him trading places with Triosi.

Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Septic Bladder on June 26, 2017, 04:34:52 PM
Whats the story with Spiranovic?
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: mellod on June 26, 2017, 05:54:55 PM
Whats the story with Spiranovic?

Relegated to the Chinese second division. No word on him moving anywhere else yet.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on June 26, 2017, 06:15:45 PM
I have always thought Mooy's style of play to be laborious and am amazed how highly he is rated in England and Jedi is now past it.

Rogic still has a role depending on the oppsition due to his ability to score spectacular goals. I see him trading places with Triosi.
When I asked about Jedinak it was meant as a bit of a rhetorical question.
I was really surprised how Mooy struggled against Cameroon because I would have thought playing well in the Championship would have required ability to deal with the physical side. Obviously not! He struggled with Cameroon, although some of the stuff dished out in the game was over the top. Literally.   Perhaps the heavy season for him affected him and he was lacking freshness,  but  I think he will struggle in the EPL. He needs to improve.
Against Chile we had a team with plenty of warriors  and that was a key for us. Luongo, Milligan. McGowan, Cahill, Irvine  in particular. Mooy is not a warrior.
So of the three, I agree that Rogic is the one that has the most to offer. He can add a bit of an X factor and has a sweet left foot. Mooy is a maybe. Jedinak has been a great servant but coming to the end of his representative career  and was not missed in these three games in my opinion. 
I guess we are going to need different types of players against different teams, and we are evolving to a situation where the National Team is based on a set of core characteristics and beliefs, but is much more multi dimensional  than in the past. We had three very different teams to play in the Confederations Cup requiring different approaches. Japan is a different team again. 
Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, I look at Germany, and the depth and quality they have available to them is scary.
All the same. Great job Ange. Bring on Japan. Let's hope for a better performance than the one down in Melbourne last year. We need a win. This comp will have helped us improve for that game.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on July 05, 2017, 07:51:00 PM
 Four-Four-Two has reported that Adelaide has taken the extraordinary step of calling back its young players from the Olyroo squad.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638 (https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638)
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Finsta on July 06, 2017, 10:24:16 AM
Four-Four-Two has reported that Adelaide has taken the extraordinary step of calling back its young players from the Olyroo squad.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638 (https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638)
Apparently a massive bluff because according to the License agreement between the FFA and all HAL clubs, the clubs must make players available for these types of things.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on July 06, 2017, 10:33:46 AM
Four-Four-Two has reported that Adelaide has taken the extraordinary step of calling back its young players from the Olyroo squad.
[url]https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638[/url] ([url]https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638[/url])

Four-Four-Two has reported that Adelaide has taken the extraordinary step of calling back its young players from the Olyroo squad.
[url]https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638[/url] ([url]https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638[/url])

Apparently a massive bluff because according to the License agreement between the FFA and all HAL clubs, the clubs must make players available for these types of things.

More on the conflict between Adelaide and our young national teams.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/07/06/wheels-falling-off-adelaide-wagon/ (http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/07/06/wheels-falling-off-adelaide-wagon/)
It is not as if the A league has started as yet so its a great time for young players to be away with national teams. Quite possibly a bluff  as you say Finsta or sheer loopyness. I suspect it is down to antagonism between Adelaide and Gombau.
I don't enjoy seeing this sort of dysfunction anywhere within the A League but  there is a sadly reassuring parallel with what we have experienced when it came to the departure of a club legend and a strained relationship with the fans and general "wheels falling off" behaviour. We certainly had had our fair share.
None of this is good for the future of the game. But hey! Look at Cricket at the moment!
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on July 07, 2017, 08:08:30 AM
Four-Four-Two has reported that Adelaide has taken the extraordinary step of calling back its young players from the Olyroo squad.
[url]https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638[/url] ([url]https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638[/url])

Four-Four-Two has reported that Adelaide has taken the extraordinary step of calling back its young players from the Olyroo squad.
[url]https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638[/url] ([url]https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/adelaide-to-withdraw-olyroos-players-467638[/url])

Apparently a massive bluff because according to the License agreement between the FFA and all HAL clubs, the clubs must make players available for these types of things.

More on the conflict between Adelaide and our young national teams.
[url]http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/07/06/wheels-falling-off-adelaide-wagon/[/url] ([url]http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/07/06/wheels-falling-off-adelaide-wagon/[/url])
It is not as if the A league has started as yet so its a great time for young players to be away with national teams. Quite possibly a bluff  as you say Finsta or sheer loopyness. I suspect it is down to antagonism between Adelaide and Gombau.
I don't enjoy seeing this sort of dysfunction anywhere within the A League but  there is a sadly reassuring parallel with what we have experienced when it came to the departure of a club legend and a strained relationship with the fans and general "wheels falling off" behaviour. We certainly had had our fair share.
None of this is good for the future of the game. But hey! Look at Cricket at the moment!

Adelaide backflip.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on July 18, 2017, 12:56:25 PM
Yeboah has been given a chance to break into the Gladbach first team would would be great in terms of the Moscow WC if he gets game time. Although I recall he is eligible for Ghana too
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/07/17/yeboah-handed-first-team-squad-number-gladbach (http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/07/17/yeboah-handed-first-team-squad-number-gladbach)

Australian striker Kwame Yeboah is on the brink of first team breakthrough with Borussia Monchengladbach, as three years of perseverance finally begins to pay off.

The 23 year-old Brisbane Roar product, who recently signed a two-year contract extension, has been assigned the squad number 39 for the 2017-2018 Bundesliga season in a vote of confidence from coach Dieter Hecking.

And, after a long apprenticeship with Gladbach's second string, he featured in the weekend's pre-season Telekom Cup tournament, showcasing champions Bayern Munich, Werder Bremen and Hoffenheim.

Yeboah, whose only two previous senior appearances were in pre-season practice games, played the whole of an abbreviated clash against Hoffenheim which Gladbach lost on penalties after the game finished 0-0.

It's a major step forward for the former Olyroo, as he put behind him a stop-start couple of years to claim 10 goals in 28 appearances in Germany's fourth tier last season.

Yeboah will now be training each day, and competing for game time, with the likes Germany international striker Lars Stindl, Brazilian Raffael and Belgium star Thorgan Hazard.

Having finished ninth last season, Gladbach begin their Bundesliga campaign on 20 August against Hoffenheim, with friendlies against Nice, Nurnberg, Malaga and Leicester still to come, plus the DFB Pokal against Roy-Weiss Essen.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on July 24, 2017, 07:42:35 AM
Three wins for the Olyroos. Congratulations.
Anyone  know how much game time Joe Caletti got?
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: kb55 on July 24, 2017, 08:18:31 AM
I understand Joe Caletti got:
v Brunei Darussalam  = 0m
v Singapore = 90m
v Myanmar = 90m
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on July 24, 2017, 09:17:42 AM
I understand Joe Caletti got:
v Brunei Darussalam  = 0m
v Singapore = 90m
v Myanmar = 90m
Thanks
That sounds promising
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Finsta on July 24, 2017, 12:13:55 PM
Well done to the U23s.
Qualified for 2018 U-23 Asian Cup. January (9th to 27th) in China.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: mellod on July 28, 2017, 02:24:06 PM
The Matildas have just beaten the US Women's National Team for the first time in 28 games.

Fantastic acheivement.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on July 28, 2017, 02:53:46 PM
The Matildas have just beaten the US Women's National Team for the first time in 28 games.

Fantastic acheivement.
You Bewdy!
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Dinoweb on July 31, 2017, 11:31:58 PM
The Matildas have just beaten the US Women's National Team for the first time in 28 games.

Fantastic acheivement.
You Bewdy!
Yes, nice goal by Brissie Roar girl Tameka Butt.

The Matildas followed up today with a 4-2 win over Japan, 2-0-0 top of the group.

So that's wins against the 2015 world cup winner, then the 2011 world cup winner, with the 2007 runner up Brazil to come. Should be a doddle!
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: mellod on August 04, 2017, 10:29:23 AM
Matildas up 4 - 1 after the first half against Brazil.
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: mellod on August 04, 2017, 11:21:59 AM
Final result 6 - 1. Congrats to the Matildas. Absolute champions!
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: Chico Raul on August 04, 2017, 11:42:47 AM
Tremendous achievement. I am very proud of the Matildas.
Irony in that our first was a penalty (fairly saved I thought as compared to last time in Brazil) but De Vanna was not to be denied.
Sam Kerr is absolute magic. Does she have a brother?
Title: Re: Future of Australian Football
Post by: mellod on August 04, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
Tremendous achievement. I am very proud of the Matildas.
Irony in that our first was a penalty (fairly saved I thought as compared to last time in Brazil) but De Vanna was not to be denied.
Sam Kerr is absolute magic. Does she have a brother?

She does. He played for the West Coast Eagles up until 2013.