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General Category => Brisbane Roar News => Topic started by: mellod on May 26, 2017, 03:55:24 PM

Title: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: mellod on May 26, 2017, 03:55:24 PM
MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Welcome to Brisbane FBK

Friday, 26 May 2017

Brisbane Roar Football Club are excited to announce the signing of former Tunisian international forward Fahid Ben Khalfallah for the Hyundai A-League 2017/18 season.

The versatile Championship winning playmaker joins Brisbane after three seasons at Melbourne Victory, where he made 76 appearances, scoring 12 goals and creating 15 assists.

Head Coach John Aloisi believes the addition of the experienced front man known as ?FBK? will bring a unique blend of class and attacking intent to the Roar side.

?Fahid?s experience and versatility will strengthen our already talented squad,? Aloisi said.

?His ability to play out wide or in the middle of our attack gives us greater unpredictability and creativity that will excite our fans.

?Most importantly though, we believe he will suit our style of play.?

The French-born-and-raised winger came to Australia after a distinguished career in France, including 76 appearances over four seasons for Ligue 1 giants Girondins Bordeaux, a team he joined for a fee of 5 million euros in 2010.

Brisbane?s new recruit said the opportunity to continue to play in the Hyundai A-League with one of the most successful team?s was a challenge he would relish.

?I?m very happy to sign with Brisbane. It was an easy decision to come to a Club that has won many Championships and Grand Finals,? Ben Khalfallah said.

?As soon as John Aloisi called me I told him yes straight away.

?I wanted to play for a big club with great players, and in my opinion, Brisbane is one of the biggest clubs in Australia.

?I am here to help the Roar win trophies in the 2017/18 season.?

Ben Khalfallah arrived in the Hyundai A-League before the 2014-15 season and made an instant impact, winning the Victory Player of the Season award after his maiden campaign in Australia.

Khalfallah will arrive in Brisbane for pre-season training in early July when Brisbane?s preparations for the Hyundai A-League 2017/18 campaign get underway.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: Finsta on May 26, 2017, 04:40:30 PM
Interesting development
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: miron mercedes on May 26, 2017, 04:43:00 PM
as my son pointed out...lets hope Broich doesn't go to Victory ...however I am happy with FBK as a signing.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: Herbielives on May 26, 2017, 05:02:34 PM
Seriously!!!

He's 34 years old

Oh well at least we know the boss sticks with his guns and signs old players


What a waste

Seriously so many young players available overseas and we end up with another old bloke

Wow!!!
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: mongie on May 26, 2017, 06:07:19 PM
He's proven... I'm guessing he's not going to be on a massive contract. It's a one year deal. I don't mind it.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: Kingy on May 26, 2017, 07:06:24 PM
I am really hoping he sits on the bench and comes on as an impact player. Clearly not a long term solution and at 35 years old, he probably shouldn't be in our starting XI.

We still need a quality number 9 and right winger (assuming Borello is gone). PLUS re-sign Pappa and Caletti and maybe snag Marinkovic or Dimitrejevic for midfield depth.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: Orange Emperoar on May 26, 2017, 07:44:58 PM
Aren't our chances of playing Asia good again? This bloke instead of Arana has to be a good thing. He gets a full preseason with us and should get a fair bit of game time through the season. Good bit of depth with proven player instead of another punt on a possible Corona from Spain.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: theoworldwide on May 26, 2017, 11:34:27 PM
It doesn't matter what way you spin it. He's 34. Will be 35 for most of next season.  A great talent in his prime but that is arguablly his past.  JA is good enough to grind out 3rd with ex star players. But he is not building a squad for the future. He is building a squad to keep his job year by year.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: Chico Raul on May 27, 2017, 07:30:28 AM
It doesn't matter what way you spin it. He's 34. Will be 35 for most of next season.  A great talent in his prime but that is arguablly his past.  JA is good enough to grind out 3rd with ex star players. But he is not building a squad for the future. He is building a squad to keep his job year by year.
Age is a concern, but I think it is more that JA has a two player for each spot concept. Rightly or wrongly, Oar is the number on left wing prospect at the moment being the marquee and all that.
There was no-one coming through for this spot last year, though of course Broich could play that position. But enough has been said about Thomas going.
Based on his performances against us in our 1-0 win when I though he was best Victory player on the park, and his effort against us in the semi, he still has something to offer.
What he lacks in sprightliness he will make up for in guile. And offers alternatives to Tommy Oar and adds depth.
I think JA is still saving what dollars he has for a striker and RW, so doubt if FBK has a large sum coming his way. FBK is heaps better than Arana with the incentive of something to prove.
Players have a habit of trying to score against their old clubs. I would love to see that!
The other side of losing Thomas is his influence on the younger players has been lost. That is quite possibly bigger than the on field loss.  FBK's stats (7 yellows last season) is not the influence I would want to see, but if he can provide a positive influence off the park, that will be a good thing. A bit more fearlessness on the park is one thing Thomas said Roar is lacking.
All in all I think this is a great signing. The caveat as with any older player is keeping injury free.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: theoworldwide on May 27, 2017, 09:21:58 AM
I doubt he'd be cheap. He left victory over money didn't he?.... will he play rw for us?

He's definitely superior to oar. 
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: miron mercedes on May 27, 2017, 10:35:56 AM
It doesn't matter what way you spin it. He's 34. Will be 35 for most of next season.  A great talent in his prime but that is arguablly his past.  JA is good enough to grind out 3rd with ex star players. But he is not building a squad for the future. He is building a squad to keep his job year by year.

Since when is 34, or even 35, too old ?
There are many players playing in top European leagues who are as old or older ...Totti anyone ? ...remember we only play a short season and it is played at a much slower pace than Europe so age is not such a problem as people make out.
The possession style of play these days and protection from dangerous tackles also prolongs a players productive life .
FBK is a proven quality foreign player who has already adapted to the A-league. I think he is a very sensible choice by JA.
Do you guys really think coaches just pick these players on a whim ?
JA has obviously been watching and cultivating him for a while as evidenced by their friendship after games last season etc  so I am sure he has considered how he can use him, how he will fit into the dressing room , what he may bring to younger players ...etc etc etc
Have a little faith ....everyone (including me ) whinged about Hervas ,and to a lesser extent Arana, well in FBK he has someone with runs on the board.
I said two years ago that even though JA is a little green as a coach he is ambitious and willing to learn....I think he is learning every day and therefore is a keeper.

Lets face it 2 consecutive third place finishes is pretty good from a rookie coach...and he will only get better with time and experience. 
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: mellod on May 27, 2017, 10:38:49 AM
I doubt he'd be cheap. He left victory over money didn't he?.... will he play rw for us?

He's definitely superior to oar.

He was apparently linked with the Jets and a Victorian NPL club. Don't think he would be demanding much of a wage.

He is primarily a left winger, but I think can play across the front three or as an attacking mid. I'm hoping he will be used as a utility attacker off the bench.

While I think he could do a job starting, I don't think he is an improvement over Borello, so it wouldn't be a make a run at the Premiership kind of signing.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: theoworldwide on May 27, 2017, 12:57:04 PM
Loving the optimism miron.

Fbk is no doubt a good signing. For his age he is in great shape. But if he was not in decline, victory would not have released him. Not unless there was a personal issue.

Age bashing isn't my point. Its just an externality of what I'd like to see happen - which is seeing the speed of play increase.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: coast on May 27, 2017, 01:44:22 PM
Seems a bit odd to have let Thomas go, only to sign FBK.

My hunch is that he's been signed as a 10. That is his preferred position, I understand.  Thomas doesn't work as a 10; maybe that's the difference.

Jeez we've got an old run on 11, assuming FBK is in it.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: miron mercedes on May 27, 2017, 04:06:41 PM
Loving the optimism miron.

Fbk is no doubt a good signing. For his age he is in great shape. But if he was not in decline, victory would not have released him. Not unless there was a personal issue.

Age bashing isn't my point. Its just an externality of what I'd like to see happen - which is seeing the speed of play increase.

I know what you are saying...and there is no doubt he is in decline....anyone over about 29 is (mind you the current fastest man in the world is nearly 31 years old ).
I guess it depends on how quickly he is declining and also how much his experience can offset any drop off in speed and explosiveness .These are the two things you lose first with age.
Endurance is not such an issue with ageing as you don't lose that very quickly if you stay fit.
I agree with you re wanting to see the speed of the game increase ,but to me the best way for that to happen is to receive and pass quicker. That doesn't rely on speed in the legs as much as speed between the ears ,technique and knowing where your next pass is before you receive the ball .
FBK has those assets in abundance.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: Herbielives on May 27, 2017, 09:25:39 PM
ok, Im confused...If this guy has been brought in to cover for Oar...I thought Oar was brought in to replace Broich....now it's being said that he is Broichs' replacement?

Oar is gonna be on top $$$$ next year so we need a cover for him?????????
Holman is also a marque so cover for him also???
I'm a bit confused by this.
I can't see that he has come here for small $$$ so why not just keep Thomas for another year? Surely a deal could have been done - unless they had no intention of retaining Broich at all.
This guy is too old. yes he has expereince but he is 35 for god sake.
I still think we could have signed a younger player from overseas and gotten a few years out of them.
Don't get me wrong, I would love nothing more than for him to be our saving grace. I want us to win at all costs as everyone else does but I just dont see the logic in it.

This is not building for the future
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: mellod on May 27, 2017, 10:31:13 PM
You can't build for the future in this league. Young players who do well don't stick around.

If we chose to play and develop a bunch of youth players, they would be signing elsewhere by the time they were developed enough to win us the league. It would be an endless cycle of developing players, selling them and not getting the results we want.

Some teams get lucky and can sell on their prospects (Borello), but most of the time they will leave for nothing. That's the reality of this league.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: theoworldwide on May 28, 2017, 04:15:17 PM
I've been thinking about your last points.

We've seen the majority of our youth team players dissappear into the npl abyss. Some of them go no where. I.e. liftin, yango etc. Others make it out into the hal or abroad, I.e Jai Ingham.

In Croatia dinamo Zagreb academy players sign career long contracts. They send their players out on loan for nearly nothing. Or if they are sold players pay the club a small % everytime they sign a new contract throughout their career.

This ensures the club has funding for its academy.

The roar releases players into the NPL for nothing. I say roar youth should be on such contracts. They are free to go to the NPL for nothing. But if they eventually get signed, we get just rewards. Similar to HECS.

Right now the roar academy is not operating like a business. But if it did their would be more motivation for owners to invest.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: Finsta on May 28, 2017, 08:32:20 PM
I've been thinking about your last points.

We've seen the majority of our youth team players dissappear into the npl abyss. Some of them go no where. I.e. liftin, yango etc. Others make it out into the hal or abroad, I.e Jai Ingham.

In Croatia dinamo Zagreb academy players sign career long contracts. They send their players out on loan for nearly nothing. Or if they are sold players pay the club a small % everytime they sign a new contract throughout their career.

This ensures the club has funding for its academy.

The roar releases players into the NPL for nothing. I say roar youth should be on such contracts. They are free to go to the NPL for nothing. But if they eventually get signed, we get just rewards. Similar to HECS.

Right now the roar academy is not operating like a business. But if it did their would be more motivation for owners to invest.

It's tight enough at most clubs currently to sign senior players so I can't see them shelling out loads on youth players. Let's not forget that there's a salary cap in place so I'm not sure how that all works together.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: theoworldwide on May 28, 2017, 09:08:21 PM
Something would be better than nothing...
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: Herbielives on May 28, 2017, 09:20:37 PM
A-league currently doesn't allow loans between clubs hence why we lose so many talented youngsters.

The sad thing is, we lose them for nothing - ie. club doesn't sell them so we don't make money. McLaren was a good example of this.

Again, you could list the number of young players we have lost - even over the last 3 years and we havent had a financial return on any of them.

Salary caps are obviously being worked around. Can't tell me Victory, WSW and Cahill City  don't have side/under the table deals with players happening. Doing the sums and it just doesn't add up.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: dobo on May 29, 2017, 09:54:04 AM
I doubt he'd be cheap. He left victory over money didn't he?.... will he play rw for us?

He's definitely superior to oar. 

I dont know about either of those points. Oar hasn't been fantastic for us but he also hasn't had a clear run at any position, either being shifted around or playing one week and not the next, i think Oar will be good for us next season.

Victory didn't want to trigger FBK's contract extension (as it would have meant he was on the same money as he was when he signed 2 years ago) he is clearly not worth that much anymore and i am sure he has signed with us for a lot less than what he was on. I doubt that after the way Vic treated him (left him out in the cold when he was close to triggering the extension) he would want to sign again for them.

I think he will be the depth bench player for any of the front 3rd LW, RW, AM, Striker
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: theoworldwide on May 29, 2017, 12:15:32 PM
Good points. Hopefully he lights a fire under oar and we see oar step up to the hype around him. Interesting to see if he will alternative with Holman too.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: coast on May 29, 2017, 05:47:21 PM
Good points. Hopefully he lights a fire under oar and we see oar step up to the hype around him. Interesting to see if he will alternative with Holman too.

Well are leading the pack on one thing: the League's most underwhelming marquees.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: dobo on May 30, 2017, 09:03:17 AM
Good points. Hopefully he lights a fire under oar and we see oar step up to the hype around him. Interesting to see if he will alternative with Holman too.

Well are leading the pack on one thing: the League's most underwhelming marquees.

it is the brisbane way, we have never had "big name" marquees, we sign marquees that suit our play and complement the team. hopefully this is what Holeman and Oar do in the next few seasons
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: Chico Raul on May 30, 2017, 11:58:05 AM
Good points. Hopefully he lights a fire under oar and we see oar step up to the hype around him. Interesting to see if he will alternative with Holman too.

Well are leading the pack on one thing: the League's most underwhelming marquees.

it is the brisbane way, we have never had "big name" marquees, we sign marquees that suit our play and complement the team. hopefully this is what Holeman and Oar do in the next few seasons
Thomas Broich is widely recognised as the  best ever marquee in the A League. 
Which basically means that to be as good or better, whoever comes next has to be really exceptional or is going to be in Thomas's shadow.
The way I look at it, we have two marquees and now FBK coming in to to fill the void; each bringing some qualities and elements of what Thomas bought, but none is quite up to his illustrious standard.
Maybe one day someone else will come along, but until then, I just think that we have to get used to it.
I have been looking at the MOM response (thanks Roary) and take some hope from the fact that earlier last season Tommy Oar seemed to be getting some recognition on this site for good performances and that Holman started to get some recognition later on. Both had injuries at various times, and Oar in particular did not seem to play as well post injury. Loss of confidence? Did he come back too soon?
Holman took a long time to get going but was showing some promise towards the end.
FBK is probably good for a season, and based on performances against us I think a great acquisition.
But there is really only one Thomas Broich. May the number 22 shirt be forever his.
I think Roar need to take on board some of what Thomas said in his parting words.
i.e. Roar were starting to play great foot ball again. JC is a tremendous talent. But above all, Roar need to regain the fearlessness that Ange instilled. 
Providing the final bits of the puzzle are found. A striker and RW. If we can do that and cut down on the defensive errors, we should do ok.
Title: Re: Roar have signed Fahid Ben Khalfallah
Post by: Orange Emperoar on May 30, 2017, 03:30:44 PM
I reckon getting a replacement for Matty Mckay is getting urgent. He is the pivot and he is wearing out. Bad games for him last season meant bad games for the team, often resulting in a loss.