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Title: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Roary on November 11, 2017, 10:39:45 AM
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Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Orange Emperoar on November 11, 2017, 10:46:57 AM
$35 for a seat at another potential qualifying game and all the euphoria it entails. I was there in 2013 and the fans stayed for ages after the game finished, and the precinct was buzzing.

Get there if you can.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Roary on November 11, 2017, 11:54:08 AM
Nice to see though the game is in prime time on the main Channel Nine. Brilliant for the sport IMO
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Finsta on November 13, 2017, 02:19:15 PM
Nice to see though the game is in prime time on the main Channel Nine. Brilliant for the sport IMO
Biggest game since the Asian Cup Final IMO..
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Roary on November 13, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
Nice to see though the game is in prime time on the main Channel Nine. Brilliant for the sport IMO
Biggest game since the Asian Cup Final IMO..

Agreed. Can't afford to concede a goal too, otherwise the away goals rule makes things really difficult
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Terror on November 14, 2017, 08:34:28 AM
Nice to see though the game is in prime time on the main Channel Nine. Brilliant for the sport IMO
Biggest game since the Asian Cup Final IMO..

Agreed. Can't afford to concede a goal too, otherwise the away goals rule makes things really difficult
Channel 9 can see another John Aloisi type moment for the rerun file
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Chico Raul on November 15, 2017, 06:00:05 AM
50-50 this one and could go down to the dreaded shoot out.
My main concern is that Australia has not yet found an answer to its striker problem.
If we manage to qualify then quite possibly we will have to hope that one of our eligible foreigners gets Australian nationality before the WC.
Fornaroli could be an option, although I can't say he would be better than anyone else at the International level.
But I am really clutching at straws. It's a major problem and the main reason why we are where we are. A good side firing blanks when it counts. With a tendency to slip on banana skins.
I really hope we can win tonight. But very nervous.
My brother will be in the  crowd as my proxy tonight. Shame it is not up here though I believe they have 75000 tickets sold down there. Hopefully they will make noise.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: BrynFC on November 15, 2017, 06:10:18 AM
Im glad Channel nine are playing it in HD!!!!

hate watching football in SD
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: scribbo on November 15, 2017, 08:38:38 AM
Nice to see though the game is in prime time on the main Channel Nine. Brilliant for the sport IMO
Biggest game since the Asian Cup Final IMO..

Agreed. Can't afford to concede a goal too, otherwise the away goals rule makes things really difficult

So if Honduras score a goal Australia has to score three to win?
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Fixer on November 15, 2017, 08:56:06 AM
Nice to see though the game is in prime time on the main Channel Nine. Brilliant for the sport IMO
Biggest game since the Asian Cup Final IMO..

Agreed. Can't afford to concede a goal too, otherwise the away goals rule makes things really difficult

So if Honduras score a goal Australia has to score three to win?


No , we will have to score 2 , if it?s 1-1 they go through any result in our favour means we go through.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: gooseman22 on November 15, 2017, 04:55:12 PM
Nice to see though the game is in prime time on the main Channel Nine. Brilliant for the sport IMO
Biggest game since the Asian Cup Final IMO..

Agreed. Can't afford to concede a goal too, otherwise the away goals rule makes things really difficult

So if Honduras score a goal Australia has to score three to win?
Away goal rule only applies if it?s tied at the end. Any win tonight, by either team, sends the winner through.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Roary on November 15, 2017, 06:12:54 PM
Nice to see though the game is in prime time on the main Channel Nine. Brilliant for the sport IMO
Biggest game since the Asian Cup Final IMO..

Agreed. Can't afford to concede a goal too, otherwise the away goals rule makes things really difficult

So if Honduras score a goal Australia has to score three to win?
Away goal rule only applies if it?s tied at the end. Any win tonight, by either team, sends the winner through.


As others have said, we win and we go through. They win and they go through. If it's a score draw (1-1; 2-2 etc) they go through on away goals.



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Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Orange Emperoar on November 15, 2017, 11:06:27 PM
Pretty emphatic.

Long live Ange.

We go to the WC with a Confederations Cup tournament and four extra tough games under our belt to further develop the team and give a variety of players a taste of victory.
We won't win the cup, maybe, but we'll have fun while we're there.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Roary on November 16, 2017, 03:26:20 AM
Pretty emphatic.

Long live Ange.

We go to the WC with a Confederations Cup tournament and four extra tough games under our belt to further develop the team and give a variety of players a taste of victory.
We won't win the cup, maybe, but we'll have fun while we're there.

Agree on the last two paragraphs. Having already played there will give us a boost as we know what the conditions are like at that time of year and what the stadiums are like to play in. Depends on the group we get though, and knowing us, it's going to be a toughie. Take solace though in that a lot of big teams won't be there, so might be an easier group draw.

Agree that Ange should stay on, as there is little time for a new coach to come in, get to know the players and get those players to adjust to his tactics. Him staying on is best for this team, and quite frankly, he knows that too. Problem is, the interview, like Aloisi, leaves me thinking he's going to call it quits. He did not sound happy and tried his hardest not to commit to anything, and sounded like he was miserable. I don't see him sticking around unless either the media becomes more favourable with him and the team (highly unlikely, but will ease a bit by qualifying), or the FFA make some deal with him (as Ange said, "it" coming to a head), whether that be financially (FFA are tight arses at the best of times), or contractually (possible). With him there, we can put up a good fight, without him and we will likely get torn to pieces, worse than most think
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Chico Raul on November 16, 2017, 06:21:00 AM
Congratulations to the Socceroo team and to Ange and staff.
We are there!
As one of the players said after the game. It was not the preferred route but the team will benefit from having overcome the challenges.
Particular congratulations to Ange for standing up, for standing firm and for his leadership.
I thought this was a nervy performance at times, which is understandable, but the sublime touches of Rogic and Mooy were world class.
Jedinak was an absolute rock and we have missed him for so much of the campaign.
Since when is a tackle from behind in the box to deny a goal scoring opportunity with only the goal keeper to beat, not a straight red?
Also, bad goal keeping should not be rewarded with free kicks every time a players challenges a goal keeper for a high ball and the goal keeper makes a mess of it.
The Fox  commentators spoke highly of Honduras and I thought they were given far too much credit.  They left me with the impression that the Asian groups are so much tougher and the skill level much higher than that of  CONCACAF if their two performances are indicative of anything.
At the risk of being a churlish and uncharitable victor, their consolation goal was more than they really deserved.
Whilst we have qualified, there is plenty of work to be done, especially to improve the strike rate from open play. I still believe Ange is the person to continue the journey and I really feel that should he walk, it will be a huge body blow to the players.
Tim Cahill's interview was interesting. Playing at City is a way for him to keep playing for Australia, and if he does not get game time, he will walk. Interesting challenge for City that one.

Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: coast on November 16, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
Congratulations to the Socceroo team and to Ange and staff.
We are there!
As one of the players said after the game. It was not the preferred route but the team will benefit from having overcome the challenges.
Particular congratulations to Ange for standing up, for standing firm and for his leadership.
I thought this was a nervy performance at times, which is understandable, but the sublime touches of Rogic and Mooy were world class.
Jedinak was an absolute rock and we have missed him for so much of the campaign.
Since when is a tackle from behind in the box to deny a goal scoring opportunity with only the goal keeper to beat, not a straight red?
Also, bad goal keeping should not be rewarded with free kicks every time a players challenges a goal keeper for a high ball and the goal keeper makes a mess of it.
The Fox  commentators spoke highly of Honduras and I thought they were given far too much credit.  They left me with the impression that the Asian groups are so much tougher and the skill level much higher than that of  CONCACAF if their two performances are indicative of anything.
At the risk of being a churlish and uncharitable victor, their consolation goal was more than they really deserved.
Whilst we have qualified, there is plenty of work to be done, especially to improve the strike rate from open play. I still believe Ange is the person to continue the journey and I really feel that should he walk, it will be a huge body blow to the players.
Tim Cahill's interview was interesting. Playing at City is a way for him to keep playing for Australia, and if he does not get game time, he will walk. Interesting challenge for City that one.



I personally think that Ange has taken this team as far as he can and needs to move on, which looks almost certain. Time for new ideas.  Ange only had two ideas, and the last one, the back 3, has been a shambles.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Terror on November 16, 2017, 03:26:21 PM
Disagree. Ange is the man that needs to take us to Russia. He does need to start preening some assistant coaches now and hand over to the next manager after the World Cup. Now is not the time.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Orange Emperoar on November 16, 2017, 04:43:22 PM
A shambles that has seen us qualify for a fourth WC in a row. FFS.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: coast on November 16, 2017, 05:27:09 PM
A shambles that has seen us qualify for a fourth WC in a row. FFS.

Yes,  The back 3 has been a shambles.  We failed to qualify directly and were part the width of a post from going out to Syria.  We were dead lucky to score Honduras, not Peru.  Uruguay circa 2005 would have carved this Roos team up. 

Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Orange Emperoar on November 16, 2017, 09:08:27 PM
Tell me again, how many games did we lose over the entire qualifying campaign? How many goals scored? How many goals conceded?

Some of your comments make me suspect that you just look at score lines and don't actually watch the games or consider why Ange might be trying to change the wa we play the game.

Make sure you get back to me with those stats.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Septic Bladder on November 16, 2017, 10:36:53 PM
This has been the worst of the 3 Asian qualifying campaigns. In WC2010 we won our group. In WC2014 we came second and in WC2018 we came third.

We had a quite a bit of luck - the last minute post in the second leg against Syria for example.

Ange has used so many players and I think he still doesn?t know his best eleven.

The change to a back 3 mid campaign and at an away game no less, was mad.

At the actual finals in 2006, we got out of our group.
At 2010, we missed getting out of our group on goal difference, scoring 4 points.
At 2014, with Ange in charge, we finished last in our group on 0 points

Clearly, the quality of our squads have declined, but Ange hasn?t adapted to the available talent and instead has played theoretical fantasy football.

As well as his tactical short comings, he clearly lacks any political nouse picking fights with FFA he can never win.

If he goes, it?s his own fault.






Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: miron mercedes on November 16, 2017, 11:03:23 PM
...and another optimistic take on life from Sep....everyone slit your wrists on the way out ....
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Orange Emperoar on November 16, 2017, 11:30:06 PM
I don't think it's Ange's fault that he isn't coaching Bresc, Kewell, Viduka, Schwarzer, Emmo, Moore, etc.

His most potent atacking threat is Cahill, who won't be in the team for 2020. Australia has always had a problem finding consistent goal scorers, but I think our midfield is now stronger than ever and as last night showed, the goals will come. Reverting to a defensive formula that leaves bodies at the wrong end of the field is not the way to beat the best.

I was happy when Ange put Kruse on when we were two nil up. That shows our style.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Chico Raul on November 17, 2017, 06:02:24 AM
I don't think it's Ange's fault that he isn't coaching Bresc, Kewell, Viduka, Schwarzer, Emmo, Moore, etc.

His most potent atacking threat is Cahill, who won't be in the team for 2020. Australia has always had a problem finding consistent goal scorers, but I think our midfield is now stronger than ever and as last night showed, the goals will come. Reverting to a defensive formula that leaves bodies at the wrong end of the field is not the way to beat the best.

I was happy when Ange put Kruse on when we were two nil up. That shows our style.
Absolutely Agree.
I am taking at face value the fact that Ange's family has copped a battering although some of this regrettably goes with the territory. It's not right but also hard to avoid.
So who do we want?
A proven coach who has led the team to qualify for the WC ; who led the team to win the Asian Cup; who has the team positioned respectably in world rankings; who is Australian; who has creditable experience in coaching at the world cup; and probably above all who has rebuilt a side with relatively young players. So what if he is prickly in front of the media! It's a no brainer that Ange is the best man for the job.
All of the above should achieve our gratitude. Not our scorn.
Where else will you get someone with those awesome credentials?
Pinch yourselves!
We are going to the bloody World Cup mates!
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: coast on November 17, 2017, 11:23:34 AM
Tell me again, how many games did we lose over the entire qualifying campaign? How many goals scored? How many goals conceded?

Some of your comments make me suspect that you just look at score lines and don't actually watch the games or consider why Ange might be trying to change the wa we play the game.

Make sure you get back to me with those stats.

OR, with all due respect, I have better things to do with my time, and, yes, I did watch the games and, as a lifelong student of the game who has also played at semi pro level, and coached juniors (teens) to titles, I have a reasonably educated view of what I was seeing.

Which is not say that I disregard the view of others, like you, at all.  But don't assume I'm an ignorant blow-in punter.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: coast on November 17, 2017, 11:29:45 AM
This has been the worst of the 3 Asian qualifying campaigns. In WC2010 we won our group. In WC2014 we came second and in WC2018 we came third.

We had a quite a bit of luck - the last minute post in the second leg against Syria for example.

Ange has used so many players and I think he still doesn?t know his best eleven.

The change to a back 3 mid campaign and at an away game no less, was mad.

At the actual finals in 2006, we got out of our group.
At 2010, we missed getting out of our group on goal difference, scoring 4 points.
At 2014, with Ange in charge, we finished last in our group on 0 points

Clearly, the quality of our squads have declined, but Ange hasn?t adapted to the available talent and instead has played theoretical fantasy football.

As well as his tactical short comings, he clearly lacks any political nouse picking fights with FFA he can never win.

If he goes, it?s his own fault.








Sep, I don't believe for a moment  that he's going.  My honest view is that he's thoroughly enjoying being the centre of attention and is stringing the media along so that when he turns around and says he's staying, he'll be greeted like the new Messiah.

The thing to remember with Ange, is that it's all about him, always.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Orange Emperoar on November 17, 2017, 11:35:19 AM
So you are quite happy to disregard excellent results, the fact that we qualified, and were only marginally behind the other two direct qualifiers in our group.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: coast on November 17, 2017, 11:42:23 AM
So you are quite happy to disregard excellent results, the fact that we qualified, and were only marginally behind the other two direct qualifiers in our group.

Oh good grief.   You think the results were excellent, fine.  I didn't, nor did a lot of other people, including many with much more experience of the game than you or I, nor were those people, myself included, happy with the dismal, toothless performances.  We were within part of the width of one post of going out to Syria, and had to go through two playoffs to qualify, and have just been rated the worst of the qualifying nations - see here  https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/media-watch-socceroos-ranked-worst-team-at-2018-russia-world-cup/news-story/2268948e18243da0405cf5cd3bd9e868 (https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/media-watch-socceroos-ranked-worst-team-at-2018-russia-world-cup/news-story/2268948e18243da0405cf5cd3bd9e868)

Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Septic Bladder on November 17, 2017, 12:25:09 PM
This has been the worst of the 3 Asian qualifying campaigns. In WC2010 we won our group. In WC2014 we came second and in WC2018 we came third.

We had a quite a bit of luck - the last minute post in the second leg against Syria for example.

Ange has used so many players and I think he still doesn?t know his best eleven.

The change to a back 3 mid campaign and at an away game no less, was mad.

At the actual finals in 2006, we got out of our group.
At 2010, we missed getting out of our group on goal difference, scoring 4 points.
At 2014, with Ange in charge, we finished last in our group on 0 points

Clearly, the quality of our squads have declined, but Ange hasn?t adapted to the available talent and instead has played theoretical fantasy football.

As well as his tactical short comings, he clearly lacks any political nouse picking fights with FFA he can never win.

If he goes, it?s his own fault.








Sep, I don't believe for a moment  that he's going.  My honest view is that he's thoroughly enjoying being the centre of attention and is stringing the media along so that when he turns around and says he's staying, he'll be greeted like the new Messiah.

The thing to remember with Ange, is that it's all about him, always.

That thought had occurred to me, but I dismissed it on the basis that he couldn?t possibly be that machiavellian.

Or could he?
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Septic Bladder on November 17, 2017, 12:34:33 PM
A shambles that has seen us qualify for a fourth WC in a row. FFS.

Holger Osieck won Direct qualification and yet was sacked for one poor result in a friendly.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Orange Emperoar on November 17, 2017, 12:35:34 PM
That looks a lot like an assessment of the team, specifically the players. Is there anywhere in that article that says there is a better manager available that can score goals on the field?
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Orange Emperoar on November 17, 2017, 12:39:40 PM
See, you seem quite willing to look up some shonky article by foxsports, but completely unable to look at the the actual stats that show one goal in one of several different games during the second stage of qualification would have seen us qualify directly. Ange cannot run onto the field and put the ball into the net. He put his players in scoring positions and they failed time and again. Despite this, the final game in qualification showed what can happen when you follow a particular philosophy and stick to it.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: miron mercedes on November 17, 2017, 12:55:41 PM
A shambles that has seen us qualify for a fourth WC in a row. FFS.

Holger Osieck won Direct qualification and yet was sacked for one poor result in a friendly.

Two poor results and extremely poor play.
The current team actually plays well considering the talent available...we simply lack teeth in front of goal . if we had Besart Berisha as an Aussie we would have qualified directly on top of the group IMO.
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Terror on November 17, 2017, 03:09:51 PM
The current team actually plays well considering the talent available
Spot on Miron. Ange has done all that is humanly possible with the squad that we have.  We need him until some of those donkeys up front step up or some bolters come through the ranks
Title: Re: Australia vs Honduras - 15/11/17 - WC Play Off 2nd Leg - Stadium Australia
Post by: Chico Raul on November 19, 2017, 04:36:32 PM
Get on to Iview and watch this Sunday's Offsiders whilst you can.
You get as a good an insight as you will ever get into Ange's psyche.
I sense that Ange feels that Gerard Whateley genuinely respects what Ange has done and for that respect, Ange opens up as much as this complex man ever will. 
Like Gerard Whateley, I really hope Ange decides to stay on and go to the WC.